I'm with ya. I pretty much gave up a long time ago. I am no more happier, but I am certainly no less happier.
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^2 May God's blessings be upon you, my child.
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^ I'm sure that really helps the Op :eyeroll:
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It is always easier to do what you are told rather than think for yourself. Unfortunately, people continue to be deceived that forgiveness and salvation can be bought and sold as a commodity.
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1 Up. Whatever
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Seeing is not believeing. sometimes you just feel things like the wind, you can't see it but it's there. Always trust yur third eye.
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While not a big fan of the bible, it does have some interesting ideas about the nature of God. God is in all things. Every bit of matter contains some God, yet God is at the same time, on some level beyond our comprehension, a sentient being outside of our linear perception of time. God is all-knowing and Creator of everything. This necessarily means that God is the author of all good and all evil, which are only subjective perceptions of sentient pieces of God. If someone is infected by Herpesveridae, for instance, it is an evil for the person and a good for the virus. God is in charge of that, and God is in all things, ergo we get the truism 'all things are created by all things'. No responsibility for life need be denied, leaving it "up to the Lord." We are the Creators, containing creative essence, surely as the Herpes virus is the Creator. We are also the Destroyers. Just a thought. It's worth it to read a little Ignatius, Augustine and Aquinas...Lao Tsu and Liang. Now, my children, for a blessing from the Almighty, to unlock your inner Creator, to ensure your fruitful harvests, raises, and illicit liaisons, please send $10,000 check or money order to: Reverund Wiley Brooks
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Religion and God are for the simple minded followers and the control freaks who lead them.
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I think you are right. That is a sad way to live the only life we have.
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1 uP. You are no closer because there is no god. People pretend to believe in god so they can have a sense of self-worth and avoid the fear of not knowing what awaits them in the afterlife. Since they do not know, they believe, in case there is something on the other side(in their mind)and their god will not burn them for eternity. I know it sounds stupid. But that is how religious people think.
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Every professional test of intelligence includes questions about whether you accept the possibility of ghosts and alien life. Know why? Because creativity is a major part of intelligence, and creativity means not foreclosing prematurely on ideas that haven't yet been proven. Suck it, atheists.
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Because your spirit was made with an inherent knowledge of your maker and in its "gut" has a need to reconnect.
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1 up: Oh pleeese!. If god is that anal then no one has a chance to get close to him/her
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^It's because you're not using a capital G when you are refering to God. Start using the capital G. Things will start to improve for you. It's a matter of respect for God's sake!
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OP again: I have had excellent times in life, good ones and tragedy. Still, god's presence was never shown to me. Even after many times of sincere prayer. Thank you all for your input. Peace
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Its all a Fairytale///
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I was sitting in vacation Bible school, the summer I was 12, and I was always cold. The preacher was talking about turning our lives over to the care of God and all of a sudden, the sun shone through the skylight and fell on me - and I warmed up. I almost laughed out loud - God had found me, I was sure of it, and the little girl who was always lonely and always so tough asked Jesus Christ into her life then and there. I couldn't go home and tell my family, they weren't believers. But I knew I had Jesus in my life. It took years, and a lot of crazy living but I could see when I hit my 30s how He had been with me through a lot of hard times, how He had gotten me through and provided for me when I didn't know how to provide for myself. Start by asking God to show you Who He is. Start by asking Jesus Christ to show Himself to you so you'll know He is real. God will do that for you. Jesus will do that for you. Just don't deny the experience when it comes.
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The point of 4^ is to see how God has taken care of you over the years, even if you didn't know Him. Hope you'll post whether you give it a try.
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1^, 2^ . . . why don't you morons start a new "secret"? Maybe you two are secretly gay lovers, huh?
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3^ Shuts up, you racest fatback honky!!!!
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Op, try making a list of all the good things in your life that you got that you really know you couldn't have quite gotten by yourself. Then make a list of all the bad things that have happened in your life that you got out of that you know you really couldn't quite have gotten out of all on your own.
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1^, we're not discussing politics. Go away.
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Got to believe in something, and it damn sure ain't Obama, our great grandchildren will be paying for this crap, weather all sides agree or not!
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Op Here. I wish it were that easy. Why would anyone not want to admit something so profound as the presence of God if they felt for sure that He did exist? That is just dumb. Read my original post. That sums up my position very well.
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^Bullshit. You believe. You just don't want to ADMIT that you believe to YOURSELF. Go ahead, man. Accept it that you think there is a God. You can't fight it. God's love is gonna save ya'. Like it or not.
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Op Here: For many years I spent praying for God to show me his presence. I mean, I spent decades. I even married a woman who practiced her Christian faith. Then a few years after marrige I realized this woman was more wacked than some women I dated who did not believe at all. I ended up filing for divorce just to get away from her. I think much of her problems came from being raised in a home with an alcoholic dad. She didn't drink, but had some of her dad's traits. It was then, after all I had prayed for, then ended up with this woman, I began to admit to myself that there is no God. I still hold onto hope to some degree in my mind. But in my heart and in my gut I am not sure, which brought me here in the first place. Peace
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^ Git down on yo knees DEVIL n pray me n JESUS fogive yo dirty mine child!!
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1 ^ I don't likes a nigga. I can't stands a nigga
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3^ I dont know if you is the same hater, but Ise be preyin fo souls of all des insestchal white DEVILS!!!! Now shuts up! 2^ You jus wrong FREAK!
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I hope there is a devil to torment racist motherf***ers like the above scum of the earth posters... for all eternity. I hope he is black.
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Naw but wes can count 8^ ape dis shit out yo straitched out mouf! I done known you honky shist like straitchn it out over my black coke! Yallses wimmen be eetin it up fo shure like dey aint neva been fed!
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^Every time I hear a republican speak I here the Devil.
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Devil here...do you believe in me?
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^ me thinks you protest too much. You're mind is trying to trick you into not believing what it really believes in. It's called the Santa Clause syndrome. Your inner child was hurt when Santa Clause wasn't real and it doesn't want that to happen again! It's the old switcheroo in the membrane.
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continued...No one who thought absolutely that God existed would turn their back on something that is suppose to be something so good for humanity. 2 up, your comment is nonsense
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Because they are afraid of the dark.
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^3 First you don't believe in God. Now you don't believe in Freud? Next your gonna' say you don't believe in Science. Your all over the place, man. BTW - I made that shit up about Santa Clause. That was pure bs.
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3^ God but ain't you a dumass he says he hope the devil be black to kick all yall honky mofo shists to the coib when yall goes to hell. I donch know bout nun a yall crakers, but ole Rufus and fambly is gone to see Black Jesus!!!
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Look at nature. There are so many things with a unique design that there had to be a designer. Did the complexity of DNA happen by chance or worse yet out of some "Big Bang" and billions of years. Who put the colors on a butterfly's wings? Or why does a blue bird have a different behavior than a red bird? God created it that way. Why does a serial killer continue to kill? Why would a street gang require that you kill someone as a initation into their gang? Who moviated Hitlers thoughts and actions? The Devil or Satan If you can believe that there is a Satan then it should not be that hard to believe in God. You can see the devil at work through wars,Drug cartels and mans disobedience etc. God does not give us much spiritual evidence that he exists. That is the definition of faith. Truly believing in Him though not seeing his direct actions. When we ask God to indwell in us we are given a measure of faith. True Faith brings Obedience to God and his Word. No I don't know everything because a creation can not understand as much as the Creator.
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OP Here. 7 Up. So, this is about my inner child and the Santa Clause Syndrome? Let's not stop there. How about we embrace a Freudian concept and say that it is not about me, Santa Clause, and God, but rather, it is about I, a son, who is trying to return to my mother's womb. You are a moron.
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1 up. Isn't that calling the kettle black! You call him a racist mutherf ucker then state you hope he is black. So, in fact, you want to be tormented by the devil? Let me guess, you're uneducated
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^ I agree. I think people believe such irrational things because they are scared that their god, who LOVES them so much that he gave his only begotten son, will make them burn in Hell for ever and ever and ever. LOL Now that is what you call love.
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All religion is mind control. They need to beLIEve because they have been robbed of knowing.
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1 ^ Right, there is no god. Be thankful you do not live your life according wishful thinking. Your decisions in life are based on reality. That is a far more important god than anything believers can hold onto.
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1 up. Forget about it. There is no God.
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I would like to believe too if there is a way to know for sure other than having someone tell me I have to open my heart to believe. That is like saying, "oh, you just need to be creative and think there is a God, then you will feel it." I can open my heart and believe my flower garden is God and make it have me feel better. If there is/was a god I would like to know about it. Knowing there is something bigger then all of us could give us something to turn to in times of need and grief.
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I don't understand it either. They call it faith and live their life as though they are scared if they do anything wrong God will incinerate them. I would like to believe that there is a God, but if there is no proof whatsoever it just seems stupid
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5 up. LOL For Casey so loved the world that she gave her only begotten daughter. And whosoever believeth in her shall not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen
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Because we believe with our hearts.
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Jesus was cool. If everyone was as cool as Jesus we would be living in paradise. Just sayin'. Too bad his teachings have been corrupted by politics for two thousand years. Our world needs to get beyond money and power. Money and power are the people's only REAL God.
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Can any of you that do not believe in God prove with empirical evidence that God does NOT exist?...I didn't think so. So then, STFU about it! Live and learn Mr. and Ms science! You don't know anything about everything.
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Seriously, I would also like to know how to know god other than being involved in some psychological contest with myself and guessing things and being left saying to myself, maybe he wants me to do this. Maybe he wants me to do that. Maybe god is telling me to do this. I do not want to live my life as a guessing game as so many people of faith do.
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1 up. Does that mean Casey Anthony is a God too, and she gave her only begotten daughter so humanity can be saved?
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1 up. Faith is not based in fact. It is based on assumption and presumption. That is not empirical in the least. So, pray tell, how does god's existence prevail mathematically? You stated that it does, but never explained how it is.
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^2 You are the idiot. For only an idiot would presume that the mathematical wonders of the universe and that our physical reality is NOT positive proof of a supernatural intelligence that is beyond reasonable human thought or understanding. Your arrogant and simplistic arguments are proof that YOU cannot comprehend that which is not seen. Faith is a way to understand that which cannot be understood by men. You fail to think beyond what your eyes can see.
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2 up - the Bible is wrong about many things, from Genesis 1 forward. I mean, it states that plants and trees grew on the earth BEFORE the sun was created! ROFL!
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6 up - you're an idiot. If you knew ANYTHING about evidence, you'd know that you don't EVER try to prove a negative. Only those making a positive claim are required to provide evidence. If you claim God exists, then YOU are required to provide the evidence, not us. Atheists simply reject your claim, because you have no evidence. Until you can come up with one single shred, you fail.
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I have empirical proof that god does not exist. The bible says that the earth is 6000 years old. If that is true how can it be with the existance of diiiiinosaurs. If the bible is wrong about that, based on its precepts that the bible is all knowing and all truth, then everything in the bible is suspect. That is empirical
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2 up. We believe with our HEART? Ok, I absolutely believe with my heard that my car is god. What the hell do you mean you believe with your heart. Your heart does not think as though it is a brain. Then what you are saying is that religion is based on nothing more than emotion and how we feel inside. You don't need a god for that. A psychologist can do exactly the same thing.
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3 up. Easy. If the miraculous Jesus existed then those smae miracles would still be taking place today. The bible was written to give Jews hope. As certain books of the new testament was written hundreds of years after Jesus died stories were created around him to make him more mythical. If God existed people everywhere would be be brought back to life. There has to be at least one person on earth with the faith of a mustard seed. If they can literally move a mountain they can raise the dead. When was the last time a mountain was moved? It hasn't because no one has supernatural power. By the way, James Randi has a standing one million dollar bet to anyone who can prove that spirits exist. No one has been able to prove him wrong. Why?
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9^ You don't ever try to prove a negative? If you knew anything about science, you'd understand that researchers constantly try to prove the negative. It's called a null hypothesis, dimwit. The only time you avoid proving a negative is in logical argument. Dumb atheists are all running around with their sledgehammers smashing anything that smells to them of god, any god will do. You're a bunch of morons.
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Simply FAITH.
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I believe that those that believe in God and those that do not believe in God will never convince the other that their position is the correct one, no matter how hard they try. Believe or don't believe but stop trying to sell it to the other side.
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^Were you walking the earth in the days of Jesus Christ? If not, how then can you state that the miraculous story is not based in fact? Existence alone is the sum of all mathematical equations, but physics cannot prove that we exist, therefore the concept of God prevails to explain to us that which we cannot calculate. God is the mathmatical variable that just IS. Faith Math = Reality!
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1^ ROLMFAO. A ghost can be proven to be true with mathematics.
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And we don't understand how you cannot believe in God.
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i know that God exists and thats all that matters.
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^Haven't you or anyone you know ever had an unexplainable experience or a seriously weird paranormal feeling or episode? Explain the unexplainable to us all with your truthiness.
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I don't have empirical evidence that there is no source or creator of the universe. But I do have empirical evidence that all religion IS mind control. The god of the bible does not exist. It is an idea though up to control people through manipulation. Why not give up on those brainwashings and be open to knowing the truth no matter what it is? Not courageous enough?
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4 up. Faith? Now there is proof. I am now a believer. Praaaaaaaise the Looooorrrd
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Hang in there atheists. If the time ever comes when indisputable proof reveals that people live on other planets(via UFOs?) religious people will not have an excuse anymore. Then you will see Christian and Muslim wack jobs go away over night.
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^try looking inside of yourself. That's where he usually hides.
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OP Here. I was hoping that someone somewhere could give me a glimmer of hope to know how to find God. I am concluding once and for all that there is no way that anyone can show me the way. *sigh* Thanks anyway, everbody.
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You don't have to get it. If you want to get it, maybe you can and maybe you can't.
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6^ Really? You have evidence that ALL religion is mind control. That's quite a feat. Before you present it, I would request you to start by naming ALL religions extant on the planet. You commit logical fallacies while talking about scientific evidence, posh.
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^ LOL Praaaaaise the Streeeeetlight.
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1 up. That is not knowing. It is faith. It is the same kind of faith you put in a street light to turn from red to green.
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1 Up. I agree. Until I realized there is no morality and there is no right and wrong, I was never happy. Now I feel freer, and free of all guilt about anything, than ever before in all my adult life.
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Hey Op, Your statement(response)and the 3 above you illustrate that religious people-all of them, Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Jehovah's Witmess, Buddist, Pagan, all of them- are full of speculation, live their life guessing what is rightous, and really have no idea what truth is, but claim they do. Just live your life and realize there is no morality other than what people in power say morality is, then accept that all things are relative and that there is no right and wrong. That is the true path to happiness and truth
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OP here again. I was finished with this thread until the last 3 posts. 3 Up: Try looking inside myself? Where in the heck else am I supposed to look? You don't think I have pondered over and over again how to find God? I have spent years thinking about it, looking and searching to no avail. 2 Up: Your comment does not even make sense to me. If there are tens of thousands of ways to find God, and I have spent decades pondering how to find him, then you would think an all-knowing god would have led me to him by now. 3up. You are confusing me more than the others. Your opening statement says no one can prove whose religion is right. Then further down you said you know the bible is the truth.
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There's no way to prove who's religion is right. You have to make that choice for yourself. That's basically why we are here. To make the choice of good or evil. God or the devil. How do you get to God? Through Jesus. So read up on ALL religions like I did and come to your own conclusion. I believe in Jesus and always have. I read other people's religions because I wanted to know what other's believe. There's no doubt in my heart that the Bible is the truth. Jesus was the only living God and no other religion claims that. They might have prophets but Jesus was more than that. He was part of God sent down to teach the people to be good and that there is a beautiful after life IF you believe in him and do good while you're here on Earth. When your body dies your spirit has to go somewhere. I'm not messing with my eternity. If you read nothing else but Revelations in The King James version of the Bible, you'll know what I'm talking about.
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2^ you assume there's a way. There isn't, there are ten thousand ways.
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^ 2 ROLMFAO I think they are going to throw up.
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1 up. You better sit down, Op. Their answer will be a whopper. Either that, or you will throw up
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Op here. What do you mean by an agenda? What is shameful about not knowing god other than what a book tells me. Just because it is a book I am supposed to believe? Is that what you are implying? There is far more arrogance in your statement than anything I have presented. I came here admitting I have no idea. Come back here and explain why, after decades, I should know god.
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Maybe he's under your bed. Have you looked there yet?
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2 There is morality. There is right and wrong. It is all based on the situation. OP, I would be ashamed to say I had thought for decades and had no better understanding of god than what you claim. You are arrogant and have an agenda.
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Hey OP you say you wonder why god has not lead you to him...thats exactly what hes doing in all these posts..I bet you have had god on your mind a lot since you posted this. He finds ways.
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OP here. I have had many things on my mind since I began this thread. None of it has shown me what it means to know god. People are being vague here. It is no different than all the years I have been seeking him. I feel like it has all be just some vague thing that can't bring me any closer to what I seek
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OP here. Yes, I have prayed on and off for years trying to find answers. Not having my prayers answered is in part why I am here. Thanks for the advice though. I am pretty much ready to give up on the whole idea.
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Have you tried PRAYING?!! You know, head down, hands together, heartfelt conversation...it'll be one sided, but that's ok because God is an excellent listener. Give it a shot, but don't get discouraged if you don't hit the lottery right away. It's usually a little more subtle from his end.
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^ ^ ^ LOL you guys are really something
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If the op does not believe, they will throw up a baby devil because they must be possessed. According to the bible anyway
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